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[20:36] *** travistex bowing out of the way
[20:36] [dynaflash] as far as the crop values in setting the stepper, it seems to me that jbrjake should vett whether or not it should. Afaik it always has
[20:36] [dynaflash] hehe
[20:37] [rhester] Still not sure exactly what the clean aperture width should be - 720? 853? pi? :P
[20:37] [dynaflash] rhester: are you referring to the seven different apple anamorphic methods ?
[20:38] [rhester] dyna: pasp is actually only half a solution. That particular method requires pasp*clap. We don't store clap, thus QT doesn't work properly (and presumably this is AppleTV's issue as well).
[20:38] [dynaflash] so, we need a case of the clap ?
[20:39] [rhester] Yep. :)
[20:39] [dynaflash] "HandBrake 0.9.2 now with the clap" :D
[20:42] *** dynaflash sometimes think the closer we are to 0.9.2 the farther away it gets
[20:53] [rhester] Looks to me like QT actually uses/writes tapt instead of clap
[20:54] [dynaflash] well, atv2 should be out sometime this week, that will be interesting to see what changes there anamorphically 9.9
[20:56] [rhester] Confirmed, it's tapt
[20:57] [dynaflash] so rhester, with both these methods your thinking anamorphic would finally be the same on all apple devices (that allow it) ?
[20:57] [rhester] If you use tapt and pasp atoms, yes
[20:57] [rhester] Basically, tapt is required
[20:57] [dynaflash] so, you know how to write it ?
[20:57] [rhester] Then you can use pasp -or- clap
[20:57] [dynaflash] ;)
[20:58] [rhester] Not yet...VERY little documentation on it (except for the QT API, of course).
[20:58] [rhester] It's a big damned atom.
[20:58] [rhester] 60 bytes :P
[20:58] [ritsuka] rhester: tapt is a mov thing, they added it recently (quicktime 7.1 if I remember correctly)
[20:58] [dynaflash] er, so will mp4 standard allow it ?
[20:58] [rhester] Agreed...which is why QT/ATV are the only things that don't grok pasp properly ;)
[20:58] [rhester] Hell, my 5G swallowed pasp without a hitch
[20:59] [dynaflash] rhester: what about the atv doesnt like pasp ?
[20:59] [rhester] dyna: The standard ignores it.
[20:59] [dynaflash] I tried one, seemed to playback fine afaik
[20:59] [rhester] dyna: Remember the post saying "hey, if you uncheck/recheck this box in QT, it looks correct"?
[20:59] [rhester] This is why: http://lists.apple.com/archives/QuickTime-API/2006/Aug/msg00014.html
[20:59] [rhester] (the guy's guess was correct and how Apple handles it in the API)
[21:00] [rhester] ONLY QT-driven players fuck thisup
[21:00] [BradleyS] 60 bytes? that's a molecule.
[21:00] *** BradleyS har har har
[21:00] [rhester] That means QT, ATV, and the iPhone/iPod Touch
[21:00] [rhester] 5G/5.5G, Classic, and Nano all work correctly
[21:00] [dynaflash] I better recheck that test then, cause unless I wasnt sure what to look for it looked fine to me
[21:01] [rhester] dyna: You at an ATV?
[21:01] [dynaflash] no, but ran a pasp encoded video this weekend on it (its at home) seemed okay to me
[21:02] [dynaflash] but I will recheck it tonight if you want
[21:02] [BradleyS] rhester: did you still need a dump or something from an itunes rental, you pinged me the other day
[21:02] [rhester] Might want to...because that conflicts with other reports (and my own direct observations in QT, which I'd encourage you to try for yourself as well)
[21:02] [rhester] Bradley: Is it a widescreen rental?
[21:02] [dynaflash] k. I will.
[21:02] [BradleyS] ana
[21:03] [rhester] You mailed that, right?
[21:03] [BradleyS] mailed mp4dump
[21:03] [BradleyS] can always run something else on it
[21:03] [rhester] Looking
[21:03] [ritsuka] BradleyS: can I have the dump too?
[21:03] [BradleyS] sure
[21:03] [BradleyS] pm me your e-mail, don't think i have it
[21:04] [dynaflash] rhester: so I know, what should I specifically be looking for on the atv with pasp ? I assume its very obvious.
[21:05] *** dynaflash make sure he still has his pasp patched version of HB
[21:06] [rhester] Hrm...
[21:06] [rhester] dyna: If it looks 4:3, then it ain't right ;)
[21:06] [rhester] dyna: I can send you a test encode easy as pie
[21:06] [dynaflash] hehe, thought so
[21:07] [rhester] Hrm.
[21:07] [rhester] No pasp atom in that.
[21:07] [rhester] No avcC, even.
[21:07] [dynaflash] um, that won't help then, will it ;)
[21:07] [rhester] dyna: Was referring to the BradleyS dump
[21:07] [dynaflash] oops :)
[21:07] [rhester] No idea how they achieve anamorphic then
[21:08] [BradleyS] remember that's got fairplay
[21:08] [BradleyS] not sure how that affects the container
[21:08] [rhester] Right...but that must mean it's almost a container-in-a-container (and there's one BIG MOFO atom in there, so it could be).
[21:09] [BradleyS] could be like a reference movie with the original embedded
[21:09] [BradleyS] you can indeed open it in quicktime, but it says authorization required
[21:10] [BradleyS] (qt offers no way to authorize, of course)
[21:10] [rhester] I so love this :P
[21:11] [BradleyS] if i remember correctly, i was avc0 video / aac audio. about 1500kbps, anamorphic
[21:11] [BradleyS] heh
[21:12] [rhester] So far, I've half-assed reverse-engineered tapt
[21:17] [rhester] Looks like some sort of matrix shit again (surprise, surprise)
[21:20] [ritsuka] http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=immagine1qu9.png is what dumpster shows
[21:21] [rhester] This will probably come through really badly:
[21:21] [rhester] 00 00 00 14 63 6c 65 66 00 00 00 00 03 55 55 55 01 e0 00 00 clean aperature?
[21:21] [rhester] 00 00 00 14 70 72 6f 66 00 00 00 00 03 55 55 55 01 e0 00 00 production aperature?
[21:21] [rhester] 00 00 00 14 65 6e 6f 66 00 00 00 00 02 80 00 00 01 e0 00 00 encoded pixels
[21:21] [rhester] width height
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[21:24] Nick change: BradleyS -> BradleyS-touch
[21:26] [rhester] Hey, I gussed right! Thanks ritsuka
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[21:37] [s55] "what does handbrake do ? is it a programe ? I want to download movies so i can be able to watch them on my ipod touch"
[21:37] [s55] really, thank got were not moderators of macrumors
[21:37] [s55] http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=423285&highlight=handbrake
[21:48] [rhester] ritsuka: Was that from the BradleyS dump or another?
[21:48] [ritsuka] another
[21:49] [rhester] sr55: Oh, trust me, he'll be on ours next.
[21:49] [rhester] ritsuka: From the iTunes Store?
[21:49] [ritsuka] no, from a mov file I have
[21:50] [rhester] I can't tell where the active profile is stored, it's not in that atom
[21:52] [rhester] NM
[21:52] [rhester] moov.mvhd.reserved1
[21:53] [ritsuka] quicktime simply remove the tapt atom if I disable it
[21:53] [jbrjake] for christ's sake wtf does apple make this so ridiculously difficult? do they let each product team design their own superset of mp4 based on a random number generator?
[21:54] [BradleyS-touch] actually it's based on constellations, but close
[21:56] [rhester] The odd thing is, the values in tapt are *derived* from pasp
[21:56] [rhester] And the iPods (excepting iPhone and iPod Touch?) get this, isomedia standards-compliant readers get this, but QT doesn't?!?
[21:57] [ritsuka] well, all was working fine in quicktime 7.3
[21:57] [jbrjake] wait what are you excepting iphone and ipod touch from?
[21:57] [rhester] jbrjake: Didn't you indicate that pasp didn't make them happy?
[21:57] [jbrjake] no....the opposite
[21:58] [rhester] OK...level-setting time. Let's review. What Apple devices are *not* happy with the pasp atom alone, except QuickTime itself?
[21:58] [jbrjake] appletv 1
[21:59] [rhester] Really? Because dyna insisted ATV was fine with pasp.
[21:59] [rhester] (We're going to retest tonight to be sure.)
[21:59] [jbrjake] when? and are you sure he didn't have the matrix applied too?
[21:59] [rhester] I dunno.
[22:00] [jbrjake] as i recall someone, probably nightstorm, said that he tried it once and it worked, but then he realized he still had the matrix, tried again without, and it failed.
[22:00] [rhester] But it makes no sense to me that a 5G running 1.2.1 (firmware more than one year old) will use pasp correctly, but not ATV with the latest OS, for Chrissakes! *beats Apple violently*
[22:01] [jbrjake] it should all be there on the forum...
[22:02] [jbrjake] http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4392&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20#p25116
[22:02] [jbrjake] have i mentioned how much i love that phpbb3 doesn't include session id in the url?
[22:04] [saintdev] could i get one of you mac-heads to try compiling the revision marked 'master' at http://repo.or.cz/w/libmkv.git
[22:05] [rhester] OK, so without tapt, QT 7.4 (but not 7.3), ATV, and FrontRow is screwed, yes?
[22:05] [rhester] OK, so without tapt, QT 7.4 (but not 7.3), ATV 1.1, and FrontRow is screwed, yes?
[22:05] [saintdev] could you repeat that one more time, not quite sure it came through properly ;)
[22:05] [rhester] I missed the ATV version ;)
[22:06] [jbrjake] i haven't verified frontrow, since i don't have a capable mac and haven't bothered reloading one of the "hacked" copies onto it since i installed leopard
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[22:07] [BradleyS-touch] give me something to verify with and I will
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[22:13] [rhester] Shit...tried BradleyS
[22:13] [rhester] No DCC happiness :/
[22:13] [rhester] Will put it up somewhere
[22:13] [BradleyS-touch] wait try again
[22:14] [BradleyS-touch] i was mobile for a few
[22:15] [BradleyS-touch] yeah, zero bytes, guess it stalled
[22:15] Nick change: BradleyS-touch -> BradleyS
[22:15] [rhester] 'salright, RapidSharing
[22:16] [BradleyS] saintdev: i'll give that a shot again for you
[22:16] [BradleyS] rhester: so i should just throw this in ~/Movies and play with Front Row?
[22:17] [rhester] Please.
[22:17] [BradleyS] ok, it's starting noww
[22:18] [BradleyS] my net connection has been total crap for weeks, will take about 10 mins to download
[22:18] [BradleyS] so don't hold your breath
[22:20] *** rhester turns blue
[22:20] [BradleyS] $:~/Desktop/libmkv Bradley$ sh ./bootstrap.sh
[22:20] [BradleyS] configure.ac:4: error: Autoconf version 2.61 or higher is required
[22:20] [BradleyS] configure.ac:4: the top level
[22:20] [BradleyS] autom4te: /usr/bin/gm4 failed with exit status: 63
[22:20] [BradleyS] configure.ac:4: error: Autoconf version 2.61 or higher is required
[22:20] [BradleyS] configure.ac:4: the top level
[22:20] [BradleyS] autom4te: /usr/bin/gm4 failed with exit status: 63
[22:20] [BradleyS] autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 63
[22:21] [BradleyS] saintdev ^^
[22:21] [rhester] Anyone feel like helping me reverse-engineer the final 4 bytes of tapt?
[22:22] *** BradleyS wonders how good van would be with that stuff
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[22:24] [rhester] I posted to dev if anyone would like to take a crack
[22:26] [saintdev] width is 2 bytes?
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[22:27] [rhester] Yes, 65535 max
[22:27] [rhester] You have something wider? ;)
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[22:28] [s55] Right, Whats the possibility of getting the CLI to do a short encode for previews?
[22:29] [BradleyS] rhester: clip was 4:3 on FR
[22:29] [BradleyS] (tiger)
[22:29] [rhester] OK, so it does affect FR as well. What version of FR is that?
[22:30] [BradleyS] dvdplayer v4.6.5
[22:30] [BradleyS] have to dig deeper
[22:30] [rhester] No biggie
[22:32] [rhester] Alright...so we've got three devices, all QuickTime-based, that are borked.
[22:32] [rhester] Hrm
[22:32] [rhester] BradleyS: What iTunes are you running?
[22:32] [BradleyS] latest
[22:32] [rhester] Try it there, please?
[22:33] [BradleyS] 7.6 (29)
[22:33] [BradleyS] aspect ok
[22:33] [rhester] Shit.
[22:34] [rhester] There's no rhyme or reason to this crap!
[22:34] [saintdev] BradleyS: could you delete the AUTOCONF_PREQ line in configure.ac and try again.
[22:34] [rhester] jbrjake: Screw it - let's just put every possible anamorphic method in the world in every encode and let the damned players sort it out :P
[22:34] [BradleyS] i wonder if itunes isn't using quicktime anymore, but rather corevideo/audio for each individual track? reads the container itself?
[22:35] [rhester] Seems that way
[22:35] [rhester] We've seen this before (serious disconnects in behavior between iTunes/QT since 7.1)
[22:35] [BradleyS] double-checked aspect on my touch, ok
[22:36] [jbrjake] the possibility of the cli doing a short encode for previews is zero, because it already makes previews. just figure out how to use them. move where cygwin puts them, if need be, s55.
[22:36] [s55] It needs to be video
[22:37] [s55] I've got libvlc integrated. I just need something to feed it
[22:37] [BradleyS] $ sh ./bootstrap.sh
[22:37] [BradleyS] Can't exec "libtoolize": No such file or directory at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 288, <GEN2> line 4.
[22:37] [BradleyS] autoreconf: failed to run libtoolize: No such file or directory
[22:37] [jbrjake] how about we work on 0.9.2 for now?
[22:37] [BradleyS] saintdev ^^
[22:37] [s55] fair doos
[22:37] [jbrjake] i mean, dynaflash could have libvlc working in the macgui too if he wasn't focused on 0.9.2.
[22:38] [s55] It was a question, not a command to stop what your doing and go impliment somethnig
[22:38] [BradleyS] saintdev: again, the libtoolize vs. glibtoolize, only the latter is available on mac
[22:39] [saintdev] meh, i don't even really care about weather autotools work, as most of the time it'll be bootstrapped already when you get it
[22:39] [saintdev] BradleyS: it's just running autoreconf, I have no control over what it chooses to use.
[22:39] [BradleyS] i see that
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