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[00:32] [NightStorm] finally back...jbrjake did you have any new vfr stuff you wanted me to try... ive been gone for almost 2 days now, and my colloquy window froze so i couldnt go back and read the logs
[00:42] [dynaflash] er, NightStorm, you can read the logs here http://handbrake.fr/irclogs/handbrake-dev/index.html
[00:42] [NightStorm] oh nice didnt know that
[00:47] [NightStorm] really hope we see atv update early this week as i will be out of town for some of the weekend and would like to play around with it/test
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[01:05] [dynaflash] NightStorm: heres the regular channel: http://handbrake.fr/irclogs/handbrake/
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[01:11] [NightStorm] thanks
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[07:17] [saintdev] BradleyS, clee: thanks
[07:17] [saintdev] could I get someone to test again on Mac?
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[15:35] [hbrbot] ::x264_trac:: Changeset [736]: intra_rd_refine in B-frames @ https://trac.videolan.org/x264/changeset/736
[15:59] [dynaflash] Didnt someone mention a bug in the picture preview window ? travistex was it you ?
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[16:00] [travistex] There is a black stripe along the right edge of the previews.
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[16:00] [dynaflash] hmm
[16:01] [travistex] I think related to the loose anamorphic changes.
[16:01] [dynaflash] was just wondering the same thing
[16:01] *** dynaflash would really prefer a black background anyway
[16:01] [travistex] I did check to make certain that it wasn't because of the switch from OpenGL to NSImage.
[16:01] [travistex] And it wasn't.
[16:02] [dynaflash] http://download.m0k.org/handbrake/images/HandBrake-20031015-OSX.jpg
[16:06] [dynaflash] I have one other picture bug to fix with presets. If you have a preset based on picture sizing for an HD source and its your default, when opening a dvd source it expands the picture size to the Default prest size, which in my case is 960 wide
[16:09] [travistex] The black stripe problem started showing up in SVN 1161. I figured that out a couple of days ago. That's the first time the MacGUI started calling hb_set_anamorphic_size. Don't know if that is the cause however. I didn't have time to research it anymore.
[16:13] [dynaflash] thanks travistex for narrowing it down that far, will take a look at it today and make sure the gui is displaying things correctly from hb_set_anamorphic
[16:14] [dynaflash] one question: have you noticed the stripe changing size depending on your source ?
[16:14] [travistex] Seems to, yes. But varies no more than a few pixels.
[16:15] [dynaflash] ah, okay that helps, I ask cause I only have one source here to work with so cannot find out for myself
[16:15] [travistex] No stripe when anamorphic is turned off.
[16:16] [dynaflash] okay, ty
[16:16] *** jbrjake prefers a gray background, makes custom cropping easier
[16:17] [dynaflash] custom cropping ? Whats that ? ;)
[16:29] [travistex] dynaflash: on second thought, I only have one source so far that displays the black stripe. The stripe width varies depending on whether loose or strict is chosen. But I thinks that's simply because of the way the preview image is being stretched.
[16:30] [travistex] IOW, I don't know if the width varies from source to source.
[16:30] [dynaflash] k. thanks travistex, how wide roughly is the stripe you are seeing ?
[16:30] [travistex] BTW, the width appears to be 8 pixels. An *interesting* number.
[16:30] [s55] My ISP's upgrading the middle tier product from 4 to 10mbit, so what to people do, complain bitterly that they are being treated unfairly
[16:30] [s55] WTF
[16:32] [s55] The lower tiers folks are now bttery upset to that they are having to wait an extra few months for an upgrade. WTF, You get what you pay for. You pay more. you get priority
[16:32] [s55] gawd
[16:32] [travistex] http://idisk.mac.com/markkrenek-Public/Strict_preview_stripe.png
[16:32] [s55] Woah, Thats pretty bad
[16:32] [travistex] There may be a stripe of the left as well.
[16:32] [dynaflash] wow, never seen that before
[16:32] [s55] nor I
[16:33] [dynaflash] nor have I ever seen that anamoporphic size using strict
[16:33] [travistex] Dr. Strangelove DVD
[16:33] [dynaflash] I would wager thats a 10 px stripe
[16:34] [jbrjake] strict will do that on a dvd that uses itu pars
[16:34] [dynaflash] cause its not taking the 10 pixels of cropping into account
[16:34] [jbrjake] err sorry strict will do that *size* on a dvd that uses itu pars
[16:35] *** superdump is in the process of trying to take on the ffmpeg-devel mailing list and get people to cut down on the flame wars and bullying and make it more accessible and friendly
[16:35] [jbrjake] but then with that film's bizarre AR i'm sure it's right anyway
[16:35] [superdump] i'll probably fail but i'm giving it a go
[16:35] [jbrjake] superdump: can you give me some examples of it at its worst? i'm curious.
[16:36] [superdump] hmm, i could probably dig some out but it's difficult to get the general feel from just a few samples
[16:37] [superdump] there have been arguments about all sorts of things, there always have to my knowledge
[16:38] [jbrjake] i'm just curious how their flame wars and noob-alienation compares to ours =)
[16:38] [superdump] hehehe
[16:38] [superdump] i see
[16:39] [dynaflash] travistex: this tells me that we are trying to set the width including the crop for strict:
[16:39] [dynaflash] else // must be "1" or strict anamorphic
[16:39] [dynaflash] {
[16:40] [dynaflash] [fWidthStepper setIntValue: fTitle->width-fTitle->job->crop[2]-fTitle->job->crop[3]];
[16:40] [clee] p/sb e
[16:40] [clee] stupid irssi.
[16:43] [superdump] jbrjake: well this is the current thread and how the discussion escalated: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2008-January/041200.html
[16:43] [superdump] but this is inter-developer stuff
[16:44] [superdump] there's some flaming going on before i waded in this morning :)
[16:46] [jbrjake] hahaha
[16:46] [jbrjake] "You might want to study English a bit more. The word "break" is not an
[16:46] [jbrjake] appropriate choice when you talk about making things work."
[16:49] [jbrjake] even better:
[16:49] [jbrjake] "where is your simple, clean, with all gcc versions working, not fragile
[16:49] [jbrjake] little work, easy to maintain, not slower code at all patch?"
[16:51] [jbrjake] better yet:
[16:51] [jbrjake] "you have posted some patches which "work" for your definition of "work"
[16:51] [jbrjake] but not for the definition used by anyone else"
[16:51] [jbrjake] god, that thread is gold
[16:52] [jbrjake] ouch! "well disabling things to hide ones inability to write working code is always easy"
[16:54] [superdump] uoti can be very pigheaded
[16:54] [jbrjake] oh wow, and that was just the tip of the iceberg. a post or two later it devolves to outright name calling!
[16:54] [superdump] but so can many people on these MLs
[17:00] [jbrjake] wow.....just....wow. that thread makes any and all arguments we've ever had here or on the forum seem like friendly banter.
[17:05] [superdump] i've met reimar, he's generally quite calm and i couldn't really see him getting frustrated to the point of it affecting what he says significantly
[17:05] [superdump] nice guy
[17:07] [jbrjake] on the other hand, you can tell how pissed off michael is just from his typos ;
[17:08] [superdump] nah, he just makes lots of typos anyway
[17:08] [dynaflash] wut ? ;)
[17:08] [superdump] there was a big argument about his poor english making lots of work for people having to correct it and that being a double standard as he wouldn't allow poor quality code through the net
[17:09] [jbrjake] hahahaha
[17:10] [superdump] my main concern is comprehensibility rather than exactness but as i'm a native english speaker, i'm probably more likely to understand stuff than non-natives (unless someone's using english with <insert non-english language here>'s grammar)
[17:11] [superdump] so being exact and correct is a fair target (especially considering how anal people are about the code)
[17:11] [superdump] but keep reading :)
[17:11] [superdump] i've met måns and baptiste too
[17:12] [superdump] måns is generally abrasive and has an air of arrogance most of the time
[17:12] [superdump] in person as well as on the lists
[17:12] [superdump] he's all right, but could do with toning down his ego a bit
[17:12] [superdump] baptiste is just cool
[17:13] [superdump] has some ego too but he achieves a lot (as does måns) so a larger than average ego is to be expected to some extent
[17:14] [superdump] he's not mean though, unless at the end of his tether when clashing horns
[17:35] [jbrjake] wait a second...the person who wanted niedermayer to pay more attention to his spelling and grammar thinks this is a well-formed sentence?
[17:35] [jbrjake] "If you disagree say so, but I just consider writing 'I' in uppercase and
[17:35] [jbrjake] starting sentences with uppercase letters and maybe try to write
[17:35] [jbrjake] "answer" right at least occasionally ;-) to be a rather simple things to
[17:35] [jbrjake] do, and at least me it costs no extra time because I need the time to
[17:35] [jbrjake] think about what I am writing anyway."
[17:36] [superdump] reimar is much more comprehensible that michael most of the time
[17:36] [superdump] :)
[17:36] [superdump] he doesn't claim to be perfect
[17:38] [jbrjake] heh
[17:38] [jbrjake] superdump, are you *really* sure about this part?
[17:39] [jbrjake] "We're adults,
[17:39] [jbrjake] not children, we don't need to bitch back and forth to resolve
[17:39] [jbrjake] something."
[17:39] [jbrjake] ?
[17:39] [jbrjake] ;P
[17:39] [superdump] :)
[17:39] [superdump] maybe just hopeful
[17:40] [jbrjake] oh and, on a spelling/grammar note, you could have gone with "the affect it has on others"
[17:44] *** dynaflash thinks superdump should just put on his kickboxing stuff and straighten some folk out "old school" ;)
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[17:48] [dynaflash] Its scary how often framerate switches from progressive to interlaced with some of this broadcast eyetv content
[17:48] [jbrjake] yep
[17:49] [dynaflash] thank god for vfr :)
[17:49] [dynaflash] er, thank jbrjake *even
[17:50] [jbrjake] hehe
[17:52] [dynaflash] you know if van has any outstanding patches he need to commit yet ?
[17:52] [jbrjake] i think so
[17:54] [dynaflash] http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5918608#post5918608
[17:56] [jbrjake] that's so silly
[17:56] [jbrjake] they already have an avisynth workflow and want to use hb instead?
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[20:32] [dynaflash] here we go again http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4569 9.9
[20:32] [travistex] dynaflash: taking out the crop values when setting fWidthStepper and fWidthField does seems to fix the black stripe.
[20:32] [travistex] else // must be "1" or strict anamorphic
[20:32] [travistex] {
[20:32] [travistex] [fWidthStepper setIntValue: fTitle->width];
[20:32] [travistex] [fWidthField setIntValue: fTitle->width];
[20:32] [dynaflash] right, but they really should be there afaik
[20:33] [s55] Nosainity of all people :/
[20:33] [s55] meh, it's gonna be another argument
[20:33] [rhester] "Mock-ups will not be permitted under any circumstances. Please provide a link to your NIB. :P"
[20:33] *** dynaflash hates photoshop
[20:33] [dynaflash] and travistex, dont you dare encourage him ;)
[20:34] [rhester] jbrjake: See my post on the iPhone 1.1.3 thread. Think we need yet another atom.
[20:34] [travistex] :-)
[20:34] [dynaflash] don't do it man. For the love of god dont do it :P
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